Hedda Hopper
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Posted - 2010.03.23 21:13:00 -
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Here's a bit of info for those of you who aren't getting it. I've been playing this game since beta, and have seen more than my share of griefing and @sshattery from many different players in many different systems.
And yes, I'm mostly a lifetime carebear, with very little inclination towards pvp. But there comes a time in your Eve life that you get tired of people who wish to 'grief' or just be idiots pushing you around or 'ruining your game'. So my perspective is from the carebear side. And you carebears who still cry about SN and people like them probably won't like what I have to say, but it might help you understand a bit better and stop all the crying (because that is what SN and their types like more than even stealing your loot or blasting you to smithereens)
1. Salvage does not belong to you. I don't understand why players still don't understand this as developers have said it multiple times. This is how it is. Nothing you say is going to change this. Accept it.
2. Ninja looters exist. Ninja salvagers do not. Why? Because if you read #1, you'd see that salvage belongs to only the guy who gets to it first. Why does the guy who jumps into your mission and salvages your wreck not flash red? Because it is not a criminal offense. So there can really be no 'ninja salvagers', just plain old salvagers. Ninja looters on the other hand, are the ones who steal your loot and flash red to you. There is a pretty significant difference, and the faster you understand this, the better you will feel as it will make your emorage factor go down a bit.
Now...what to do about it other than cry on the forums, or worse, cry loudly in local?
(and I'll leave out the dual-boxing/dual-account/alt bit as that's common sense/knowledge)
1. Train up some skills for PVP, and learn how to PVP. Plenty of good places in Eve to show you the ropes. This is by far the most important way to keep ninja looters from ruining your game. Fly your mission ship around, get ninja'd, and go back to get your own super pvp ship and engage. Better yet, shoot at the ninja first so he has rights on you, and he thinks you will be easy kill. Ninjas hate showing back up in their pvp ship and finding a real fight on their hands, as their nasty pvp ships have some expensive gear on them as well.
NOTE: Older, more experienced ninjas like to fight, and are willing to risk a bit more, especially if you are a lot newer and not very pvp-heavy in your skills. You pays your money and you takes your chances, but ninjas will respect you a hell of a lot more by fighting a real fight than cursing them in local or even getting your pve carebear ship blown up.
2. shoot your wrecks as the ninja approaches each. Put your damn drones away, and just watch where the ninja goes. Headed to that Large Generic Wreck? Shoot it. Pop, ninja moves on to next wreck, pop. I've had to shoot over 40 wrecks in a mission once just so one of these guys didn't get a single ounce of loot or salvage. He thought he was making me angry at having to pop all my wrecks, but the reality is that I do so many L4 missions that losing 40 wrecks, hell, losing 4,000 wrecks is nothing. If you do L4's, this should be your attitude. Seriously...I've got literally thousands of every type of salvage and module in my hangar from the L4's I do. If you are crying about losing a few...well I don't know what to say honestly.
My main has popped around 15 ninja looters. Of those, five of them came back in pvp ships and met me in my own pvp ship. Score? Me 1, Ninjas 4. Best part? A few of those ninjas I podded because I could get their pod locked and alpha'd in time, and yeah, I took a nasty sec hit with each one. But I L4, and that takes no time to build back up. They avoid me like the plague usually.
So in the end, I'm a happy carebear since a couple of them emorage'd me about the implants in their head. You know it hurts when they emorage YOU. Ninjas never expect podded in high sec, so I guess some dont use jc's
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